“I can’t count her beat half the time.” Pretenders guitarist James Honeyman-Scott on Chrissie Hynde’s “weird” rhythm — and the secret he never told his bandmates

Posed studio group portrait of the Pretenders in 1979 L-R James Honeyman Scott, Chrissie Hynde, Pete Farndon and Martin Chambers
The Pretenders in 1979. (from left) James Honeyman-Scott, Chrissie Hynde, Pete Farndon and Martin Chambers. (Image credit: Fin Costello/Redferns)

Pretenders frontwoman Chrissie Hynde is very clear about where her rhythmic heart lies. She looks to two masters of the groove: Jimmy Nolen of James Brown’s band and founding Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones.

One of the most famous aspects of her playing is her unique sense of timing. In a 2021 Guitar World interview, Hynde — whose electric guitar of preference is an Ice Blue Fender Telecaster — recalled that when recording her first album, bandmates told her she had “dropped a beat.”

“I said, ‘That’s the only way I know how to do it,’” she said. “So I had to find some people who knew how to play it the way that I heard it.”

The Pretenders perform on 'The Kenny Everett Video Cassette' TV show in 1981. (from left) Martin Chambers, Chrissie Hynde, James Honeyman-Scott

The Pretenders perform on The Kenny Everett Video Cassette television show in 1981. (Image credit: Steve Morley/Redferns)

Because she spent years playing alone before joining a band, she developed a rhythm that didn’t always adhere to a strict 4/4 time. This “quirk” actually became a signature element of the Pretenders’ sound.

But as the late Pretenders guitarist James Honeyman-Scott told Guitar Player in 1981, Hynde’s unusual rhythm style put special demands on his own lead and rhythm work.

“She does quite a bit of rhythm guitar, and I don’t know anybody who plays like her,” he said. “It’s real distinct, and I can’t count her beat half the time. Instead, I just put a little guitar line over it, like the lick in ‘Tattooed Love Boys.’ I just happened to know that those notes in that order fit rather well, so I kept doing it so I wouldn’t go out of time.

“Her timing in that number is so weird, like 7/13 or something!”

James Honeyman-Scott (1956-1982), of the English-American rock band The Pretenders, plays on stage during The Pretenders II Tour on January 14, 1982 at The Ritz in New York, New York.

Onstage at The Ritz in New York City during the tour for The Pretenders II, January 14, 1982. (Image credit: Ross Marino/Getty Images)

While recording their debut album, producer Chris Thomas asked Honeyman-Scott to clean up Hynde’s rhythm part on “The Wait.”

I bluff a lot. I think the rest of the group will be amused when they read this, because I’ve never told them I can’t work out their time at all!”

— James Honeyman-Scott

“It sounded real scruffy,” Honeyman-Scott said, “but I couldn’t because Chrissie plays that way and I don’t.”

He shared a secret with Guitar Player about how he worked around Hynde’s unusual rhythm work.

“This puts a lot of demands on me, and I bluff a lot. I think the rest of the group will be amused when they read this, because I’ve never told them I can’t work out their time at all! They are used to me coming in a bar too late; they think that’s the way I play. But it’s because I’ve missed where she comes in!

“That happened on a new number, ‘The Adultress,’ and they think it’s great — ‘Oh, that’s Jimmy’s style.’ I just bluff it and hope for the best.’”

James Honeyman-Scott, lead guitarist with the British rock band The Pretenders, tunes his guitar before their first American concert tour stop in 1980 in Nashville, Tennessee.

Honeyman-Scott tunes up before the Pretenders’ first American concert tour stop in Nashville, in 1980. (Image credit: George Rose/Getty Images)

Honeyman-Scott’s own guitar career had been something of a happenstance. He was raising vegetables and selling guitars in Hereford, England, during the summer of 1978, unsure of what his next musical direction — if any — would be.

I started selling guitars and not really caring, although I knew that one way or another I was going to get heard.”

— James Honeyman-Scott

A phone call brought him to London, where he met Hynde, an American-born musical expatriate who was crossbreeding bits of pop, punk, reggae and her eccentric sense of meter to create crisp, no-nonsense accompaniments to her lyrics.

In a series of basement rehearsals, he found his specialty — savage power chords, arpeggiated or percussive rhythms, and short hooks instead of extended solos — and proved that he could handle his role with precision and flamboyance.

Honeyman-Scott — who died tragically at 25 from heart failure due to cocaine intolerance — told Guitar Player he couldn’t really account for why or how he’d landed in a successful group.

“I started selling guitars and not really caring, although I knew that one way or another I was going to get heard,” he said. “I settled back a bit and then thought, ‘No, no — you’ve got to make a fight for it.’ But I think it just turns up. You’ve either got the style or luck or whatever is needed, or you don’t.”

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Christopher Scapelliti is editor-in-chief of GuitarPlayer.com and the former editor of Guitar Player, the world’s longest-running guitar magazine, founded in 1967. In his extensive career, he has authored in-depth interviews with such guitarists as Pete Townshend, Slash, Billy Corgan, Jack White, Elvis Costello and Todd Rundgren, and audio professionals including Beatles engineers Geoff Emerick and Ken Scott. He is the co-author of Guitar Aficionado: The Collections: The Most Famous, Rare, and Valuable Guitars in the World, a founding editor of Guitar Aficionado magazine, and a former editor with Guitar World, Guitar for the Practicing Musician and Maximum Guitar. Apart from guitars, he maintains a collection of more than 30 vintage analog synthesizers.

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