FOR A SMALL GUY IN HIS EARLY 20S, JAKE HERTZOG
certainly lives large. Since earning a scholarship from
Berklee and taking that institution by storm, he has
been awarded the Grand Prize in the Montreux Jazz
Festival’s 2006 Jazz Guitar Competition (performing
there the following year), become the musical director
for Nickelodeon ’tween sensations the Naked Brothers,
toured internationally with Jordanian master
musician and peace activist Zade Dirani, and landed a
gig in legendary drummer Victor Jones’ acid-jazz
ensemble Cultureversy. The young guitarist’s latest album, Chromatosphere
[That’s Out], boasts Jones on
drums, and heavyweight bassist Harvie S,
with contributions from veteran keyboardist
Michael Wolff. The album
features seven tasty originals and
imaginative arrangements of
three standards, including Brubeck’s “In Your
Own Sweet Way.”
Hertzog keeps listeners constantly on
their toes, zigging when you might expect
him to zag, and blazing through unorthodox
intervallic maneuvers with an ease that
would likely give players twice his age pause.
And that’s just when he’s playing jazz. The
22-year old wunderkind also has his sights
set on pop songwriting, and possibly even
rock godhood, intimating that he’s liable to
get his Edge on when recording his next
album.
You are holding a Tele on the cover of your CD, but
that’s not what you played on the album is it?
The photo session we did for the album
didn’t come out well, so I used photos from
a session for another album I played on,
and now everyone thinks I play a Tele,
which is hilarious, because I don’t even
own one. My main guitar is a custom semihollow
built for me by Matt Artinger. It is
lightweight, with a small body, and as a
small person, the most important thing in
a guitar for me is its physicality. All of the
electric guitar sounds on the new album
were made with the Artinger.
You’ve also got a nice Gibson Les Paul goldtop,
don’t you?
Yes, and I use it in heavier rock situations.
I think the heavier the band is, the
heavier the guitar should be, so the goldtop
usually wins out. Those guitars just sound
unbelievable with distortion and effects. I’ve
also got a Fender Strat that I use for playing,
say, James Brown tunes.
Do you have a favorite amp?
I have a heavily modified Fender Deluxe
Reverb that I believe was originally a limited
edition reissue. A friend got it for me,
and all I know is that it has a Jensen alnico
speaker and a couple of fancy tubes, and that
it sounds great.
Are there any effects that are essential to your
sound?
I’ve got several Fulltone distortion pedals
that I use a lot, and four c that I like to use together
through multiple amps. One of the coolest
pedals ever is the Boss PS-5 Super Shifter,
which gives you whammy, detuning, and
other effects in addition to harmonies and
pitch shifting. I prefer using individual pedals,
rather than multi-effects, because they
allow me to more easily manipulate each
type of effect.
How about picks and strings?
I use Dunlop Jazz III picks and standard
GHS .010 sets. I wish I could use heavier
strings for sonic reasons, but I wouldn’t have
as much control because I have tiny hands.
How did you get the huge chorus sounds on
your new album?
I was using my effects pedals when we
began recording, but almost immediately we
decided to just record clean guitar signals
and use software plug-ins such as IK Multimedia
AmpliTube to get different sounds
and effects. In some cases, the engineer
would copy the tracks and process each one
differently, sometimes with one softer in the
background. I liked that because that’s the
way I would do it live with two or three
amplifiers, just to get more depth.
Is that how you got the spacious lead tone on
“Bonding”?
Yes. We layered a clean sound with a
really present clean sound that had more
sustain, and a sort of Eric Clapton-like distorted
tone.
You play with an unusual right hand technique.
While in college I came to the realization
that as a small person what I brought to the
guitar wouldn’t be complex chord voicings,
but rather two or three notes at a time used
effectively in a different way, like a pianist
with seven fingers chopped off might. That
was impossible to do with a pick, or the traditional
hybrid style combining three fingers
and a pick, because my fourth finger was just
too short to be useful. So I use a pick and
the middle and ring fingers for a three-note
approach, which leads to playing more open
intervals, rather than the patterns that more
linear playing is about.
To what extent is jazz improvisation intellectual?
I think you would get different answers
depending on the age of the person you were
asking. Players from a few generations ago
might say that improvisation isn’t at all intellectual,
because they likely grew up learning
on the bandstand, and playing whatever they
were feeling. In contrast, my colleagues and
I have had the experience of breaking it down
intellectually at an academic level, before
going back to the bandstand and having to
unlearn it. Practicing is an intellectual experience,
but performing shouldn’t be. I’d rather
listen to someone that doesn’t have all the
theoretical knowledge, but can really play
from an emotional place, and I hope that
when I’m playing, it’s coming from an emotional
rather than a theoretical perspective.
How do you keep that analytical part of your
mind at bay when performing?
What you are working on intellectually
at a given time is always going to be far ahead
of what you are actually able to execute on
your instrument, and when you step into a
performance situation, you instinctively go
back to a more emotional response. There
is a process that has to take place between
confronting a new concept intellectually and
translating it into a physical representation
on the instrument, and even once you have
something under your fingers, it has to sink
into your mind and heart before you can pull
it out spontaneously. I always have things
that I’m practicing that I can’t do live, and
then maybe three months later I will be able
to play them.
It’s like learning another language. You’ve
got words that you can speak or understand
on a vocabulary test, and you get a hundred
percent on that test in the classroom. But
then when you go out on the street and try
to buy something, and the guy has a different
accent, you think, “Oh crap, now I don’t
remember that word.” But there are all these
other words that you knew before taking
that test, which had nothing to do with it,
and you go from there.
Describe how you might approach re-harmonizing
a jazz standard.
At this point, I’m into this interval thing
using two of my fingers, as I mentioned when
discussing my right-hand technique. Rather
than harmonizing a melody in the traditional
way using the changes, I look for different
interval combinations that will flow on top
of the bass line. For example, I’ll use sixths
and sevenths and voices based on them as
opposed to the usual thirds and fourths.
Those wider intervals have a different sound
that obscures the harmony slightly, which I
think is more interesting than just playing
Bbmaj7, Ebmaj7, D7#5, because people have
already heard that kind of harmony many
times before. I’ll also choose intervals based
on how dissonant or consonant I want the
harmony for particular notes to be. For
example, minor seconds, minor sevenths,
and minor ninths will produce more dissonance,
whereas fourths and fifths will
produce a more consonant sound without
giving away the structure of the chord, which
is going to be in the thirds most of the time.
Chord melody arrangements are beautiful,
but I’m more interested in counterpoint or
single lines or weird interval combinations
that are going to produce sounds that aren’t
expected.
It sounds like dissonance is a big part of your
harmonic concept.
Dissonance is my entire harmonic concept!
At least in the sense that instead of
always approaching harmony in a chord/scale
or linear way—which I also love and continue
to practice—I prefer to think in terms
of consonant and dissonant moments. So, if
there is a Gmin7b5 chord, instead of thinking
about the scales that’ll work with it, or
non-harmonic triads or whatever, I think
about which notes, intervals, and combinations
are going to be dissonant and which
are going to be consonant. And when I have
that as a reference point, I can say that
within the context of a particular moment
in the music, I want the harmony to be more
on one side or the other. And that concept
can also be applied to melody, for motif
development or repetition of phrases,
because I think they too have dissonances
or consonances relative to whatever else is
going on. Using dissonance as a basis for the
conception of a solo or an entire piece is
where I’m at right now.
What is the first thing you need to know when
approaching jazz improvisation?
The first thing is to be able to identify
parts of the song—form and changes and
rhythmic ideas—from an overall perspective,
so you have a mental picture of the
framework you are going to be improvising
within. Joe Lovano said something great to
me once, which was, “If the song was different
you would still have played the same
solo.” That was a good lesson for me, because
you have to be true to the song, especially
if you are playing jazz. A lot of musicians
ask how a song can service their improvisation,
but the question should be how their
improvisation can service the song. Know
the song as if you wrote it. Everything after
that point is style and language.
How do you feel about smooth jazz?
Just like with any kind of music, sometimes
it is really great and sometimes it can
be done badly. What I do like about it is that
it allows people to sing along with jazz in a
way that they probably haven’t been able to
do since Cole Porter or George Gershwin,
and I wish there were more jazz musicians
who were writing tunes that people could
dance to or sing along with or understand
in an emotional way so that they weren’t
required to have a music degree in order to
enjoy them. So, for whatever else smooth
jazz musicians sacrifice to get there, they at
least bring that back.
What was the most important thing you
brought away from your master class with Pat
Martino?
I don’t know what he wanted me to get
from it, but what I brought away was his
absolutely commanding voice on his instrument.
Every note he played and every way
that he played the notes was a living expression
of that voice, and that was really
astounding to me, because I had seldom seen
that intensity before. That was really deep
for me, and what I would consider to be the
ultimate level of artistic expression. It left
me hoping that I could be like that in spirit
some day.
What does it mean to be a jazz guitarist in
2009?
Jazz is all about searching for new musical
concepts that haven’t been explored yet.
That’s what the creators of the style were all
about in their time, and I feel that, in our
time, we should carry forward the same spirit
without playing the same notes. So, while I
started by learning what had already been
done, it was more important for me to
push for something new than to study with
the intention of sounding like somebody
else or a player from some other era. Of
course, traditionalists and innovators
support each other, because the traditional
forms provide the context for the newer
forms. It’s just like with classical music,
Mozart was great, but that doesn’t mean
you can’t play Bach anymore.
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