AS EVERYONE KNOWS, JOHN JORGENSON WAS REVERSE engineered
from alien artistic technology (AAT). How else can
you explain his preternatural abilities on acoustic and electric
guitar, double bass, mandolin, mandocello, Dobro, pedal-steel,
clarinet, saxophone, bassoon, and lately bouzouki, coupled with
sufficient stylistic mastery to perform Elton John’s entire
repertoire, twang it up with the Hellecasters, top the country
charts alongside Chris Hillman in the Desert Rose Band, and
push Django Reinhardt’s Gypsy jazz into the 21st Century? And
that’s not to mention his live and recorded work with a pantheon
of top-tier artists ranging from Bob Dylan and Johnny
Cash to Barbara Streisand and Luciano Pavarotti.
Jorgenson has already released two
albums this year: the John Jorgenson
Quintet’s One Stolen Night, and Istiqbal
Gathering by John Jorgenson and Orchestra
Nashville (both on J2 Records). The former
was recorded “live in the studio,”
and features Jorgenson on guitar, bouzouki,
clarinet, and soprano saxophone, accompanied
by violinist Jason Anick, bassist
Simon Planting, percussionist Rick Reed,
and rhythm guitarist Kevin Nolan (with
cameos by Gonzalo Bergara on bandoneon
and twin trombonists Tania and
Sandra Differding). The latter comprises
six collaborative compositions arranged
for Gypsy jazz guitar and orchestra, including
the stunning “Concerto Glasso.”
Looking ahead, in addition to touring
Europe, South America, and Australia
with his Quintet in the coming months,
Jorgenson will play a handful of gigs with
the Desert Rose Band, as well as collaborate
on a “straight ahead rock album”
with Peter Frampton and a “Tele album”
with Albert Lee (who will join him
onstage at the Guitar Town festival this
summer). In his spare time, Jorgenson’s
been working on a new amp with Mark
Sampson of Matchless, Bad Cat, and now
Star Amplifiers fame.
What are your thoughts on the current lineup
of the Quintet?
Jason Anick is definitely a great foil
for me. Not to take away from any past
members, but he and I have a really good
chemistry onstage and he has a lot of
energy that I can play off of. And if
there’s anyone who is a star bass player
in Gypsy jazz, it has to be Simon Planting.
He played with Fapy Lafertin—one
of my favorite traditional Gypsy jazz guitarists—
for many years, so he naturally
plays the music the way I like to hear it.
And Kevin Noland is a fine rhythm guitarist.
The rhythm section as a whole
just has a beautiful sound. In the past I
had to create the drive a little more with
the lead guitar, and now I’m able to sit
on top of the rhythm section and let
them drive it, which allows Jason and
me to be really free. And One Stolen Night
has more swing on it than some of my
other records, because I like the way this
band swings.
What’s going on with those super-fast runs
on the intro to “Norwegian Dance”?
That’s more of a right-hand technique than a left-hand one. It’s a picking pattern
that’s two downs and an up across
two strings, and I’m playing it pretty fast.
The funny thing about that intro is about
a year ago I got to sit in with Les Paul at
his weekly gig in New York, and that’s
one of the pieces we played. When I got
to the end of that intro he just laughed
and said, “Ok, do that again!” It was such
a compliment, but it was also like, “Alright
Mr. Hot Shot.” He was very influenced
by Django, which you hear in his early
recordings. There’s an old film clip of Les
playing “Dark Eyes” in which he does a
lot of Django’s runs and other things.
Switching to the orchestral album—was
there an overarching theme going into the composition
of Istiqbal Gathering, or did it just
come together over time?
The overarching theme was to present
the Gypsy style of guitar, technique,
tonality, and music in a legitimate orchestral
format, as opposed to simply playing
“Nuages” with strings or orchestrating a
Django song. The Spanish, Gypsy, Russian,
and Eastern European elements, and
the technical virtuosity of it all really go
well with orchestral music. My hope was
to create some compositions that might
be performed for years to come.
Are you still playing your signature Saga
guitars?
For the orchestral album I brought my
prototype VG-300 oval-hole signature
Saga, the companion VG-320 D-hole
model, a Dupont, and a vintage Selmer.
I recorded the same phrases on all four
guitars, listened back without knowing
which was which, and preferred the sound
of the VG-300. I don’t know if I should be surprised, but it was up against some
pretty expensive and well-crafted instruments.
I’ve found over the years that certain
instruments work better than others with
microphones, even though they may not
sound the best acoustically.
On One Stolen Night, I used my VG-320
on “Dark Romance” and a David Hodson
custom guitar on “Istiqbal Solo,” but otherwise
I mostly used an Altamira guitar made
by a Chinese luthier named Hanson Yao,
who went to Spain to study flamenco and
classical guitar building and did an apprenticeship
at Ramirez. Someone asked him to
copy a Selmer, and when I saw the instrument
he created I fell in love with it. Lately
I’ve been going back and forth between the
Altamira and the VG-300. I’m just a typical
guitar player that always wants something
different, but then when I have it I miss what
I don’t have.
What is your current live rig?
I use an Audio-Technica Pro 70 microphone
mounted right on the face of the guitar
in a block of foam, face down behind the treble
side of the bridge. That goes into a Radial
Tonebone PZ-Pre, which is a great little
2-channel acoustic preamp with some bass
roll-off, a notch to filter out body resonance,
a phase-reversal switch to cut feedback, and
a sweet midrange. The Radial feeds a Phil
Jones Bass CUB AG100 amplifier, which is
about the size of a briefcase and weighs only
11 pounds, making it ideal for travel given
the current restrictions on luggage. I patch
a Zoom A2.1u—which I use as a volume
pedal, reverb, and tuner—into the amp’s
effects loop.
What about picks?
I alternate between two picks, a 5mm
Wegen Fatone, and a tortoiseshell pick
modeled on the Wegen, but with a different
bevel so there’s less of a point. The
tortoiseshell pick has a very warm and
beautiful sound that is simultaneously full
and bright, but with no harshness to the
brightness. I have two of them that I
bought for $100 each. Those are the picks
that I use about 90 percent of the time,
and then if I want a little more articulation
or a brighter sound I’ll switch to the
Wegen
How did you record your guitars on the two
albums?
On the studio album I mainly used my
vintage RCA 77 Ribbon mic, along with a
Sony C38 large diaphragm condenser, and
sometimes just a touch of the Audio-Technica
Pro 70 to add a little edge or body
sound. On the orchestral album I wasn’t the
engineer, but they used a Neumann of some
sort combined with the RCA and Royer ribbon
mics and a little of the A-T. In both cases
the main mics were positioned about six
inches away, down the treble side of the
bridge, because on these guitars if you get
too close to the body or the sound hole you
get too much low end.
These days it seems as if there is a Hot Club
in nearly every city, most of which pay tribute to
the original music. Do you feel that Gypsy jazz is
still a living, evolving art form?
I sure hope that it’s a living form. While
there’s a part of me that would be completely
happy to be in a Django tribute band, unfortunately, that doesn’t keep the music
alive. My intention has always been to evolve
the music away from the ’30s and ’40s nostalgia
vibe by bringing in other influences,
such as pushing it with different grooves or
putting it in a classical orchestral setting,
which also inspires new people to check out
the original style. Gypsy jazz was largely
unknown in the U.S. until relatively recently,
but this year we are celebrating Django’s
100th birthday, and also the tenth anniversary
of Django Fest Northwest, the first
Django festival in America. And there are
now about ten across the country, so it is
definitely alive and well.
Who are some artists that you feel are truly
evolving the music?
Stochelo Rosenberg recently released an
album called Ready’N Able that pushed the
envelope by including arrangements of
songs by Stevie Wonder and Charlie Parker,
Bireli Lagrene did some really nice work
with a big band, and there’s a French quartet
called Hùrlak that blends Gypsy jazz
with Romanian music. One of the things I’m
happiest about is that I have been able to
introduce so many people to this music. In
a French book I’m called “the U.S. ambassador
to Gypsy jazz.”
That’s a fair assessment.
I’m really proud of that because the
French don’t give it up for Americans very
easily, especially when it comes to something
they consider their own, even though
I consider it quite American as well.
What are the most important things that
guitarists new to playing Gypsy jazz need to bear
in mind?
First they need to listen—to whatever
they can find, but particularly to Django.
Then they need to get a heavy pick and pick
back by the bridge with attitude, because
it’s all about energy. The main thing I find
when I give workshops is that people don’t
commit to playing the notes. When you
hear Django, or any great guitarist, they are
committed. Jimi Hendrix or Stevie Ray
Vaughan or Charlie Christian or Doc Watson
or whomever it is—boom! They’re
hitting the guitar.