ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH HEAVY MUSIC OVER
the past two decades knows the main reason there
hasn’t been an Alice in Chains record for a while.
After the death of vocalist Layne Staley in 2002,
it seemed there wasn’t much the band could do
without their friend and bandmate. While lead
guitarist and vocalist Jerry Cantrell released two
solo albums between 1998 and 2002, it was
unclear what the future of AIC would be. Just like
an oyster creates a pearl around a shard of sand
to take the edge off, the best way for an artist to
work out personal trials is through their chosen
medium. So, a decision was made to regroup.
While producing what would be their new fulllength
release, Cantrell and the band appear to
have purged, or at least transformed old wounds
by refusing to let Alice roll over and die. “Anything
I have to say is on this new record,” says
Cantrell. “The things that are hard for us to put
into words are there. I think people are getting
that, and it’s allowing the fans to make the difficult
transition with us. We’ve been out of the loop
for so long, and lost somebody dear to us who
was integral to the sound. Coming to terms with
our reality, saying goodbye to Layne, and making
the decision to add to the legacy of what we created
took so much work.” While getting back into
fighting shape, there was the issue of filling the
shoes left by Staley. Cantrell found the band’s new
co-vocalist in William DuVall, who had been playing
around Los Angeles in his own band, Comes
with the Fall. “The three of us had to step up and
grow. Now that we’ve added William to the
process, he’s become a valuable member of this
transition. After all we’ve been through, I don’t
think it could go much better than this.” Alice in
Chains released their latest album, Black Gives Way
To Blue [Virgin], in September 2009.
As in the past, there are some huge guitar tones on the
new record. Does that require a lot of layering?
It varies from track to track, but I’ve
always been a big fan of layering guitar
sounds. The basic formula, especially for
the heavier stuff, is the G&L Rampage with
some sort of a Bogner amp configuration
mixed in with other guitars. I also use Gibson
Les Pauls quite a bit. I like to tinker
around in the studio. Sometimes I just
make up stuff as I go along. It’s not the
most efficient way to make a record, but I
never looked at it as a factory type process.
What’s involved with layering G&Ls and Les
Pauls?
For recording in general, even if you’re
layering the same guitar on itself, you have
to stay on top of the intonation. You may
even have to intonate the guitar “out” to
make it in when you’re recording on certain
parts of the neck. For instance, if you’re
doing a lot of work up high and down low,
those two chords are going to be intonated
a little differently in the studio. My guitar
tech was really awesome at that. It can be
a struggle at times, but I always had him
to help keep the guitars in tune. You have
to make the setup right, but it can come
down to your ability to match and play
along with yourself.
Have you always been loyal to Bogner amps?
Reinhold Bogner and I have been
together for a while, and I’ve used some version
of an amp he’s made on every one of
my records. I’ve used the Uberschall in the
past, but not on a regular basis. My main
amp is the Bogner Shiva, and the preamp
I’ve been using the most throughout the
years is the Bogner Fish. Right now I’m
checking out some amps by Dave Friedman
here in Los Angeles, especially the Marsha.
It’s a killer, so I’ve been combining it with
the Bogners. I haven’t settled on an exact
setup, but I always have a Bogner somewhere
in the chain. Live, I like running a
couple of different amps. Some are better
for metal sounds and others for cleaner,
straight-up rock and roll. Being able to use
two together, or being able to switch from
one to the other gives you more options.
How did you get that swirling effect on the
opening riff for “Check My Brain”? Listening to
it on headphones gave me motion sickness.
[Laughs] Exactly right! It’s really funny
to me how you kind of want to puke after
you hear it. It’s a tough song to play, but
the riff itself is pretty simple. Basically
it’s two notes, starting on the first fret on
the low E string. You start in to the bend,
and then let down. Then you pull up quick
once on the second fret with a bend, and
then go back in to the bend on the first
fret and let down again and just repeat.
The track is doubled and then there’s an
octave track on top of that, so it’s a wall
of sound. Live, it’s a challenge without a
doubt, because I have to be somewhere
in the ballpark on the bend and sing on
key on top of it. But, I can get away with
it if it’s not completely perfect. Recording
and doubling it was a different story,
because I had to concentrate on that bit
of tightness, but it’s still not completely
precise. It lends itself to being a little out
of control. The thing I enjoyed the most
was when the song came out and all my
friends were asking, “Wow, what the hell
are you doing on that song?” These are
guys who play guitar, and they couldn’t
figure it out. It was cool to come up with
something that was interesting to them.
On most songs you continuously weave
between lead and rhythm parts. What’s the best
string action for you?
It’s lower than most I guess, but not
too slinky and spagettified. It also depends
on song parts. Some call for a higher action,
especially if you’re doing some work up
top, and that needs to be adjusted on the
fly. That’s where a good guitar tech is helpful.
I’m using Dunlop strings gauged
.010-.046, which works for both the Rampage
and the Les Pauls. We’d been having
trouble with strings slipping and going out
of tune, and they’ve been working out really
well for us.
To create your signature model G&L Rampage
guitar, the product managers had to dissect
some of your old ones because they didn’t have
the template anymore. Did pulling your guitars
apart make you nervous?
No, I wasn’t worried about it. I’ve taken
those things apart and put them back
together again many a time. It’s not a fancy
guitar, and I’ve always liked that about
the Rampage. It’s been a while since they
made that particular model, so they kind
of forgot how. I had to send them one of
mine so they could start from scratch, look
at the wood, the paint, right down to the
body contour and how the neck sat in the
guitar. We’re trying to represent where
the Rampage began, but I made some
modifications to the original model. The
original locking nut wasn’t my favorite.
There were a lot of problems with the
Allen screws stripping, and the plates they
used to lock the strings down always
snapped in half. So, I went with a recessmounted
Kahler 2320 X-Trem brass
tremolo. Since the locking nut is by Floyd
Rose, it’s actually a hybrid. It’s pretty hard
to knock that loose. I also wanted the Seymour
Duncan JB pickups. The body is soft
maple, the neck is hard rock maple, and
we had to jump through some hoops to
get the ebony for the fretboard, because
it’s hard to get, but it was worth it. It’s a
very sturdy, meat-and-potatoes guitar that
can really take a beating.
You’ve got a signature model Dunlop Crybaby
wah coming out. What features did you
want to make it particular to you?
It’s based on the original Jimi Hendrix
Wah, which was the Cry Baby I’d used since
my early days, with a few of my own specs.
There’s a side knob that controls the toedown
frequency, so it’s not so trebly
sounding.
Has the band’s tuning changed much over
the years?
I like to tune down a half-step just to
get that that extra little weight to it. It was
how I played when we started Alice. The
first time I ever discovered the dropped-D
tuning was hearing Eddie Van Halen on
“Unchained.” I thought it was really cool,
and we incorporated that tuning from our
first record out. So it’s a mix of those two,
a regular A-440 tuning dropped a half-step,
and then A-440 dropped a half step, with
E string dropped down to D, which ends
up being C# . I’ve used a couple of open
tunings as well here and there. The song
“Over Now” is a good example of that.
There’s often an acoustic guitar presence in
your work, but I don’t hear much about your
acoustic gear.
I guess there’s not a lot to say about it. I
don’t have a lot of acoustic equipment. I have
a Martin, and I’ve played Taylors, Gibsons,
and Yamahas—whatever is lying around. I’ll
use whatever works.
Will we see more solo work from you someday?
Oh, no. Everything I’ve got goes to Alice.
There’s nothing left over. I had the opportunity
to do some material on my own, and
always had really great musicians playing on
those records. But this has always been my
band, my love, my whole life, and what I’m
committed to. There’s no need to be making
solo records anymore. We worked our asses
off and dumped out everything that we had
on this record. I’m really proud of not only
the music that we made, but also all of the
growth that each of us had to go through to
make this happen. It wasn’t what you’d call
a slam-dunk idea. It took a lot of thought and
effort. Making this record was over a year
and a half of intense writing, rehearsing, and
pre-production, plus the actual recording
itself. I’m done writing for a while.
Does it ever stop being weird hearing people
criticize and interpret your music?
There’s a point where you have to
detach yourself. The good thing is people
care enough to talk about it. Even if they’re
critical of our material, it means something
to them. There’s never been a real milquetoast
kind of reaction to Alice, people either
really like it or hate it. We’ve always been
a pretty polarizing band. But it’s better to
get a strong reaction either way over an
“eh, whatever.” You have to make something
that excites you, find people that are
of a like mind, and stick with it. First and
foremost it should be fun. Everybody starts
from somewhere. I started learning to play
power chords on a guitar with two stringsthe
E and the A strings, I think it was, and
three tuning pegs, jamming along to Black
Sabbath and AC/DC. After my mom realized
I wasn’t going to quit, she got it fixed
so I could play properly. You emulate others
you admire, and I’m no different. At
some point you hopefully find your own
voice, and end up with your unique sound.
The key for me has always been not to
worry about what everybody else thinks,
or trying to write a hit single. It’s not a
good way to go. What’s always really turned
me on is the process of creating something
out of nothing, then having it live on after
bands are done or people move on. That’s
pretty cool.
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